tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post2214187865791140098..comments2024-03-13T10:25:11.566+01:00Comments on Chez Loulou: Why Are the French So Rude?Jenniferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18245742506531002363noreply@blogger.comBlogger137125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-1919686076160631762023-07-15T13:07:37.198+02:002023-07-15T13:07:37.198+02:00My wife and I are long-time residents of San Franc...My wife and I are long-time residents of San Francisco, both in our 60's with me pushing 70. We are retired and moved to Lyon in April to live in France for a year. This is our third time in France and second time in Lyon and we love it here. The people in this city and in our neighborhood could not be kinder or more friendly. Neither of us speak much French but we are studying and trying. Luckily, many people speak English. But we have never encountered a rude or exasperated gesture when we try to speak French and we find the people here to be incredibly patient with us when we speak little French and they speak little English. We have a huge outdoor market in our neighborhood that runs every day except Monday. I shop there almost every day and despite my lack of French skills, I have made several lovely acquaintances with the vendors that I frequent. They remember my name and I remember theirs. They greet me with a smile and a big bon jour and I do likewise. One vendor, an older woman who I buy my cherry tomatoes from, greets me with a fist bump! It's one of the highlights of my day.<br /><br />Maybe we are just lucky. The French that we have encountered are incredibly polite, but in a genuine, and genuinely kind, way. People say please and thank you and offer me their seat on the bus or subway. I love saying, and hearing, "bon jour" when I walk into a shop or approach a vendor and "bon journee" when I leave.<br /><br />Without a doubt, we will encounter rude people. But to say that "the French are rude" could not be further from our experience.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01936853415053661393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-12699103491724737842023-07-15T13:04:14.347+02:002023-07-15T13:04:14.347+02:00My wife and I are long-time residents of San Franc...My wife and I are long-time residents of San Francisco, both in our 60's with me pushing 70. We are retired and moved to Lyon in April to live in France for a year. This is our third time in France and second time in Lyon and we love it here. The people in this city and in our neighborhood could not be kinder or more friendly. Neither of us speak much French but we are studying and trying. Luckily, many people speak English. But we have never encountered a rude or exasperated gesture when we try to speak French and we find the people here to be incredibly patient with us when we speak little French and they speak little English. We have a huge outdoor market in our neighborhood that runs every day except Monday. I shop there almost every day and despite my lack of French skills, I have made several lovely acquaintances with the vendors that I frequent. They remember my name and I remember theirs. They greet me with a smile and a big bon jour and I do likewise. One vendor, an older woman who I buy my cherry tomatoes from, greets me with a fist bump! It's one of the highlights of my day.<br /><br />Maybe we are just lucky. The French that we have encountered are incredibly polite, but in a genuine, and genuinely kind, way. People say please and thank you and offer me their seat on the bus or subway. I love saying, and hearing, "bon jour" when I walk into a shop or approach a vendor and "bon journee" when I leave.<br /><br />Without a doubt, we will encounter rude people. But to say that "the French are rude" could not be further from our experience.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01936853415053661393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-57640825383873459812021-04-16T01:34:16.753+02:002021-04-16T01:34:16.753+02:00I've been living in France (Alsace)for 4 years...I've been living in France (Alsace)for 4 years now. I've had some experiences on this issue.<br />Being a socially active person and living in a city with a lot of expats I've never had difficulty in finding friends, I organise activities, trekking , cook for friends. In order to learn the local culture and the language I chose to stay in a colocation with French people and they told me that they were happy to have me as a clean, respectful and supporting friend, they were respectful and nice to me in general. But one thing I observed is that French people usually don't invite foreigners to their friend circles and don't join others' (expats, foreigners) friend circles. They don't usually tend to learn about others' cultures, language, food (which is very common in some cultures) For instance I've been invited to at least 30 dinners by the time, only 2 of them were French. I've invited many but since the French reply rate is low I naturally went on with expats. This is not being rude but more like being introvert & closed. Also in romantic relationships they are quite conservative. They fall in love with other french only ^^<br /><br />When it comes to professional life in the institutions I worked people were not rude, they were usually very helpful when I asked for help. When it comes to friendship at work the majority don't continue the conversation more than a "bonjour" in a normal day. So they were not rude but not friendly either.<br /><br />On one event I'm not sure what to say;<br />In the school I work one day a week there was a lunch which was for a feast, everybody gathered to enjoy the lunch and while I was sitting alone in the same room, nobody called me to join them. After about 30 minutes one lady who was late for lunch entered the room, invited me but then nobody moved the chair to give me some space so I went back to my seat. Maybe I should have asked them to move?,I don't like to be in an event where I'm not invited, but still I felt very strange.Is it culturally normal?.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357594027570669265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-64557393389941881812017-07-29T19:39:04.275+02:002017-07-29T19:39:04.275+02:00Someones said "rules of etiquette." -Exa...Someones said "rules of etiquette." -Exactly!<br /><br />I live in south-east part of France and I went to school to learn French at one of the biggest university in France - Stendhal in Grenoble. As you can imagine, I was in a group of people from each corner of our globe: Japan,Korea,China,Peru,Iran,Brasil,UK, Italy, Germany, Poland and US & Canada as well. We all come from different cultures, but believe me, no one can understand american & canadian students: ther were eating during classess,and this was very,very annyoing. I have tried to explain them that we have breaks between classes and you will have a time to eat you salad/chicken/sandwich/whatever in nice caffeteria or outside in the garden, rather in class with 16 students, which they were forced to smell you food...however they did not care.<br />I'm really sorry, Students from North America & Canada- in Europe this is treated as a lack of private culture and also lack of respect for the teacher. Yes, I heard this is standard behaviour in your country and even teachers eats on front of their students,however, you are not longer in US or Canada so it would be nice to adjust. Even my british collegues hated it. We also spoke with the french teachers and they are aware of this behaviour -but even they were saying this is lack of respect.<br /><br />So, before you start to complain how we in EU (especially French citizens) are rude , maybe first look at yourself?<br /><br />Daga;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-23649297624728762862017-01-25T23:32:24.123+01:002017-01-25T23:32:24.123+01:00A few years ago I went to France and travelled fro...A few years ago I went to France and travelled from Paris, through Normandy, then south to Provance. I made an effort to learn some French and tried to use it everywhere I went. I never had a bad experience and found the French to be uniformly polite, nice and helpful, even in Paris.<br /><br />I loved the country, it's so beautiful. Everywhere.alircarlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14646600120614261440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-923501560621059992015-07-30T21:43:21.529+02:002015-07-30T21:43:21.529+02:00In supporting Jen's point of view, here, I'...In supporting Jen's point of view, here, I'd also want to pitch with some more arguments.<br />http://www.j-ouellette.com/are-french-rude-american-tourists/<br /><br />Thanks, Jen, for this article, your visit on my blog, and your beautiful site :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02351571815764828085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-88475871509541475412015-06-14T20:11:37.449+02:002015-06-14T20:11:37.449+02:00Anon
If you had taken just 5 seconds to read my bi...Anon<br />If you had taken just 5 seconds to read my bio, you would have seen that I am an American. So no, I am not biased.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245742506531002363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-76890567808551185552015-06-13T20:17:21.495+02:002015-06-13T20:17:21.495+02:00Personally, I think you are biased. I'm guessi...Personally, I think you are biased. I'm guessing you're French yourself and so are more used to the French culture. Not to offend anyone that is french, but I think that rudeness is part of the French culture. Being rude may not be offensive to french people because it is just part of the culture, but I can tell you from personal experience that the French are not the most warm and fuzzy of people. Often they will openly insult you and think almost nothing of it. I'm American and live in a friendly community in a small town, so this was a shock for me. It was also hard for me to tell if someone liked me or not when they would often say mean things, but then acted like we were close friends. Don't get me wrong, I made tons of friends and had a great time in France, but just know if you're going to France that the French have a different way of um communicating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-19034371161643598292014-07-28T06:18:49.258+02:002014-07-28T06:18:49.258+02:00My husband and I spent six weeks in France this pa...My husband and I spent six weeks in France this past Spring and aside from one or two cashiers at the supermarché (it was our fault), we didn't encounter any rudeness. The first week we were there we went to the Carrefour and bought produce, not knowing we needed to weigh it and put price stickers on the bags. Not knowing the language enough to understand what the flustered cashier was telling us, we just kept saying <i>je ne comprends pas</i>. Luckily for us, a customer behind us grabbed all of our produce bags, weighed them and priced them and came back and we finally understood. We were falling all over ourselves to thank the lady (who didn't speak English) but she just smiled and said it wasn't a problem. The other time we encountered a rude cashier was when my husband tried to take the trolley (the ones you drag along behind you) through the checkout line - big no no. Each time, the rudeness was more of a coolness, a quiet disapproval. It was our cue to learn the system and learn we did. The rest of our trip was delightful - in fact quite a few people went out of their way to be helpful to us. We were in Père LaChaise cemetery and couldn't find a tomb despite the map we'd bought. A man noticed our confusion and pointed us in the right direction. He was a writer and lived in Paris - a French man. Later on that day we again got confused in the cemetery and another French man walked with us (quite some distance) and brought us to the tomb. Both of these men were just ordinary Parisiens.<br /><br />The difference between shops and other businesses in France and in the UK/USA is that in France employers generally treat their employees like family and their establishments like their homes. You, as the customer, are coming into their home when you enter their establishment, so keep that in mind. Acknowledge everyone you come in contact with - usually a quiet <i>bonjour</i> or <i>bonsoir</i> if it's a casual setting and if it's formal, be more formal in your address. They appreciate it if you have a subdued manner and are courteous. This is the land of <i>Egalité</i> - even the shop assistants are equal to you, the customer, so treat them like a human being, not like an appliance and you'll be treated like family, too, or at least like a good neighbor.<br /><br />I love France - <i>Vive La France</i>!Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-30588280291386003742014-05-04T01:34:47.910+02:002014-05-04T01:34:47.910+02:00Hi Jennifer,
I know this thread is old, but I too ...Hi Jennifer,<br />I know this thread is old, but I too have been motivated to chime in. We are just back from a 6 week holiday in Europe, 2.5 weeks in France and although our experience was no doubt optimised by being Australian (and by my attractive fluent french-speaking wife), I did venture out on my own a bit and found the Parisians no more rude than most big city dwellers and in the regional areas they were welcoming & helpful and seemed to appreciate my (laughable) attempts at their language. It is also a truly gorgeous place and property/businesses are SO CHEAP! I confess to being instantly smitten & we are planning to start a business & buy property there asap. We did have one classic 'rude' frenchie experience (told pointedly by a 30-something frenchman disembarking the Eurostar that our 2 small boys had made his trip 'oonbehyrebool!'). However to balance this, in a village on the A-road to Strasbourg, a fellow we stopped at random (after our GPS steered us into a cul de sac) not only spent about 15mins explaining to us the best way to find our accommodation, he then caught up with us in his car after we had set off and told us to follow him to the location, several km out of his way! This would be unusual enough anywhere but with the reputation the French have for unhelpfulness, it makes it all the more striking.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16008190056053860544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-76200970475622581942014-03-31T18:05:37.689+02:002014-03-31T18:05:37.689+02:00Stephen,
Thanks for letting me know about your sea...Stephen,<br />Thanks for letting me know about your search. I was just curious!<br /><br />I think that after Ottowa, the south of France will feel very warm...especially after this hellish winter North America has had. However it does freeze there and it can snow occasionally. We had our heating on from early November until March, on average. Hope that helps!<br />Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245742506531002363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-87124183096237078432014-03-30T14:25:15.976+02:002014-03-30T14:25:15.976+02:00Hi Jennifer,
I believe I came across your site se...Hi Jennifer,<br /><br />I believe I came across your site searching "cost of living in France" or "cost of living in Languedoc" possibly. <br /><br />Our tentative long term plan - when our 9 year old son is independent - is to spend 4-6 weeks, (January and February) somewhere "warmish" and sunny in the south of France. We are in our early 40s now. <br /><br />I was interested in a comment that you posted in on entry on the site where you said something along the lines of "...there is nowhere in France that is warm all year round", in the context that one has to factor in heating costs. <br /><br />Cold is of course relative...as we've just had a winter in Ottawa that has lasted 5+ months of consistently sub-zero Celsius temperatures. +10 degrees and sunny on average sounds like a real upgrade to us. :)<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Stephen<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-34370460835974621402014-03-30T09:31:57.145+02:002014-03-30T09:31:57.145+02:00Thank you Stephen! I enjoyed reading about your ex...Thank you Stephen! I enjoyed reading about your experiences. <br />Enjoy your trip to the Languedoc...you may have noticed that we lived there for 8 years and have very fond memories. You'll love it!<br />I have a question, if you don't mind...how did you come across my blog? Through a Google search? I'm just curious! :) Thanks!Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245742506531002363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-4267477889557423922014-03-30T05:08:19.907+02:002014-03-30T05:08:19.907+02:00Great site. I have to say, reading many of these ...Great site. I have to say, reading many of these anecdotes about the rude French, it would be great to hear the other party's perspective. <br /><br />I've travelled extensively - 20+ countries and many major world capitals - and in our 3 visits to France we had nothing but positive experiences overall. Of course nothing is ideal 100% of the time, but we are visiting France again for our 4th time this year, and it is the only country (other than our home, Canada) that we are considering as a retirement home base. <br /><br />In Paris, 2 noteworthy incidents of kindness stand out. We were travelling with our son who was 5 yrs old at the time, and an official at CDG airport picked us out of a very long line for express service. A very similar thing happened at the Musee D'Orsay. Rude Parisians? Je ne pense pa!<br /><br />I'll also add that Aix en Provence seemed like one of the happiest, idyllic places in the world to us. Everyone smiling and relaxed, amazing to those of us used to living in big cities. <br /><br />Our next trip is in a month, to the Aude and Pyrenees Oriental regions of Languedoc Rousillon. Can't wait!<br /><br />Stephen from Canada<br /><br />P.S. Merci beaucoup for your excellent website and useful posts. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-29183978498499722772014-01-21T14:26:50.617+01:002014-01-21T14:26:50.617+01:00Saved as a favorite, I really like your site!Saved as a favorite, I really like your site!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-32395298365313586832014-01-18T18:07:08.792+01:002014-01-18T18:07:08.792+01:00Really french are rude. I said to myself maybe I d...Really french are rude. I said to myself maybe I don't know them too well and try to make myself understand thier culture but they never stop to amaze me with thier rudeness its like thier way of living to treat people with disrepespect. Scenario, went to the market buying some vegetables for preparing salad tomato then I want cocumber as well. He then said is this for eating, I didn't know what he meant so I ask him in French why are you asking and soon I got home didn't feel it was a joke. Hey! This rude joke, you do only to your connaissance I am a customer who doesn't now your affaires. So pissed off!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-34084530843718755822013-12-20T11:36:48.019+01:002013-12-20T11:36:48.019+01:00Simply put, well meaning visitors simply don't...Simply put, well meaning visitors simply don't understand. French culture is all about codes and subtlety. This is to allow the french bourgeois to differentiate themselves from the peasant class. It is a constant battle of who is more educated, or a better 'french'. As a foreigner, you are retarded and should be publicly ridiculed in their eyes. The act of demeaning another person cleverly, without the victim realising it, is the only pleasure the french seem to truly, gleefully indulge in and when, only when, one lives, works and converses fluently with the french do you realise how they have become the most bitter, scathing and downright inhuman people. When they overcharge you, it shows that they are smarter than you, when they are rude it shows them how simple you are. This is the true undercurrent to the 'odd' experiences of visitors. Simply the nastiest, most bitter people in the world I am sad to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-79812230559556969712013-11-24T17:14:42.191+01:002013-11-24T17:14:42.191+01:00My experience in France was that people were frien...My experience in France was that people were friendly and helpful. Most people I encountered, especially in shops and restaurants, spoke English and were willing to speak it in order to assist me. Actually, many people on the street spoke English as well, and whenever I asked politely in French, they would switch to my language and give me directions, advice, etc. I only encountered two rude people and they worked concierge at hotels. This had more to do with who they were as people and did not reflect on the French as a whole. I had to laugh when I read about the ice. I love lots of cubes in my glass and I didn't know how to ask for it in French. This is something no one could help me with unless they spoke English. I found it curious and funny rather than annoying. I got used to the small rooms and beds rather quickly, no biggie. It was my first visit to France, but it definitely won't be the last. Living in France, is a definite possibility for me. I love it!<br />MelloBellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01240761687490780696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-83761696791559408402013-10-21T17:49:13.094+02:002013-10-21T17:49:13.094+02:00Are you trying to tell me that the well-establishe...Are you trying to tell me that the well-established, often-repeated, consistent, entrenched and widely shared impression that the French are rude is just some kind of ... misunderstanding? A conspiracy? A strange coincidence?<br />The reason there exists this widespread idea that the French are rude is ... because the French are rude.<br />I was there twice last year and just about all the service I received in Paris, but also in Normandy, was remarkably rude - and I was already bracing for it!<br />In addition to the standard indifference, dour faces and general rudeness one waiter actually hit my 5 year old son for playing with an ashtray. <br />When my French-speaking wife berated her for her action she just slinked away with a red-face, but no apology, of course.<br />I've lived in Europe for 10 years and the French are without any doubt the rudest people Ive encountered. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-49416706479764665502013-10-10T23:40:36.875+02:002013-10-10T23:40:36.875+02:00We just came back from paris 3 days ago and we exp...We just came back from paris 3 days ago and we experienced both extremely rude but also wonderfully amazing people. Im 26 pregnant with twins so evidently pregnant and huge and I had a street vendor selling eiffel towers shove me so hard I fell off the curb and I had some lady let go of the door in a shop hitting me. But on the flip side we found a pizza restaurant where the waiter was lovely and helpful and gave us a wonderful evening. The metro was busy but people did give up their seats for me and up on visiting the catacombes I was rushed to the front of the queue which was absolutely amazing. Paris though scares me :( its so busy but to be expected Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-78436299444946186262013-07-30T22:59:51.185+02:002013-07-30T22:59:51.185+02:00Aaah, reverse psychology. Everyone is falling over...Aaah, reverse psychology. Everyone is falling over themselves to defend the French.. I've lived there for 7 years in total, gone to school there, and yes, I have to say that among the top 5 rudest encounters in my life, almost all of those were in France.<br /><br />I've never been shouted at by a dentist anywhere else, nor shouted at (unprovoked) by civil servants, nor treated with such brusqueness at any remotely civil-service organisation (e.g the SNCF) anywhere else but France. Sure, the French are by and large civil enough, but when they're rude, they're REALLY rude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-6115363138269636532013-06-14T15:18:30.312+02:002013-06-14T15:18:30.312+02:00About 20 years ago we had a French cultural exchan...About 20 years ago we had a French cultural exchange student from Paris stay with us for two summers. We got to know him really well and a discussion came up about the stereotype for the French people being rude. He laughed and told us that the French people really admire Americans. However, they just don't want to admit it. He said, "The French love the French". (national pride) He gave us a few pointers. He explained that many Americans show up in Paris wearing their Budweiser tee shirts, shorts and sneakers. They expect everyone to speak English and don't even make an attempt to speak French. We observed how he dressed, picked up on how he acted and put our observations to use when we first visited France the third summer. In the interim, we took an evening high school French course. On the way over on the plane we observed an american couple with an out of control child. The dad was wearing a Budweiser tee shirt, shorts and sneakers. I thought to myself about our initial conversation with our French student and what problems these people would have when they landed in Paris. We have been to France about five times since then and have never experienced any rudeness. My wife continued on with her French lessons. I attempt to speak French and am sure that I butcher the language. When I do attempt to speak French, people either answer me in English or we muddle through even if they do not speak English. I have even resorted to drawing a picture to help communicate. The French people have been extremely patient and kind. Rented a canal boat the last two summers and visited small towns and villages. Fewer people spoke English. There was an older French couple that we ran into. I could understand enough of what he said that he was annoyed with all the tourists on the canal. (That included us) We had an electrical problem with the boat. Despite complaining about the tourists, him and his wife went out of their way to try to help us out. They showed up with tools and a small French-English Dictionary. We used our French-English Dictionary to figure out the words related to the electrical system. Bottom line-try to speak French. Take the time to learn a little about the culture and customs. You will have a great experience. We still stay in touch with our former French student. He invites us to his home for dinner every time we are in France and even took us to Normandy two summers ago. My wife's father, who has passed away, was in the Army and landed on D-Day on Omaha Beach. The visit to the invasion beaches and American cemetery. It was a sobering experience. I believe our former exchange student is a true friend for life and we can't wait to return to France.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429841136977806277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-21149989273302829882013-06-06T16:01:24.623+02:002013-06-06T16:01:24.623+02:00I've lived in Lyon for the past 11 years and ...I've lived in Lyon for the past 11 years and have seen myself as ambassador on both sides of the Atlantic- correcting stereotypes in the US and in France that each have about the other. I always explain that it's a 'code' and once you know the code, you realize that it's not a 'rude' thing, it's cultural. <br /><br />I do love it here, but there is one thing that drives me bonkers. In all the books, French or Foe and the like, it talks about the subjects that are FORBIDDEN to discuss in polite company. I have found that French people have NO compunction asking me *very* personal questions that they wouldn't dare ask each other (or tolerate being asked by someone else). Why are you in France, what do you do here, how much do you make, how much was your house, DID YOU VOTE FOR OBAMA? etc. <br /><br />I didn't even realize it was going on until about a year ago when all of a sudden it hit me- "HEY- you wouldn't ask another French person this! I was told never to bring this up!" Then I realized that the rules don't apply in that direction (local asking foreigner).<br /><br />So the advice I'd give is to pay attention and don't do what the books tell you not to do, but don't be shocked or surprised if you find yourself at the receiving end of some pretty personal questions. You can usually shake them off with a joke, if you're really uncomfortable... I have actually said, "I was told never to bring that subject up to a French person- was the book wrong?" (looking innocent and smiling the whole time)<br /><br />Or, in the case of 'Who did you vote for?' I answered that Americans ARE JUST LIKE THE FRENCH in that we never discuss who we vote for. They understood perfectly, no one felt bad and we went on with life...Cherylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16965447496469233036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-81926804786923686632013-05-29T19:52:45.506+02:002013-05-29T19:52:45.506+02:00Phil
No, never too late! Thanks for chiming in. Phil <br />No, never too late! Thanks for chiming in. Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245742506531002363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20775625.post-40475938943565749062013-05-23T22:50:38.491+02:002013-05-23T22:50:38.491+02:00Well, this was a while ago, but my wife and I love...Well, this was a while ago, but my wife and I loved it and it's never too late to say you liked something someone wrote, right? Right.<br /><br />A bientot..Philhttp://www.tpapictures.comnoreply@blogger.com